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    1. COI appreciate the comment and mostly I am concerned with managing large applications that have all kinds of logic on what (would be) the controller side of things. A large portion of our apps do things like take user input and return a result-set. It's not dealing with the view that is complicated, it is taking a large number of (e.g. complex billing) variables and processing them. As a result of that problem, unit testing almost doesn't exist (yet) because it hardly fits the form methodoly (I can't fully test against my model/controllers because they are integrated into everything)
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    2. CO(Oops and by "large applications" I mean large in terms of code complexity not in terms of how big they are...the user load is light but the complexity of what actually happens after the user hits submit is the killer - seperating that set of classes allows me to to let my jr. devs go after the views and the "committee" that decides the internal number crunching (an ever-changing thing) to attack the logic and test it immediately to make sure it does what it's supposed to[tm] ... mostly billilng stuff, so it's highly visible
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    3. COHaving said all the above...I guess the answer to your last question is: I posted the question because I hoped someone else had been through it before and maybe because I needed a little convincing myself :-)
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