Databases
StackOverflow2013
Postsdbo
POEclipse webtools project (WTP) and its performance / quality
 

Note that there are some explanatory texts on larger screens.

plurals
  1. POEclipse webtools project (WTP) and its performance / quality
    primarykey
    data
    text
    <p>Our company is using eclipse since several years now (we are using WTP since release 0.7)</p> <p>I am currently evaluating <strong>eclipse 3.6.2 with WTP 3.2.3</strong> which should replace eclipse 3.4.2 with WTP 3.0.4 as being our main IDE.</p> <p>And I have to say that once again I am quite disappointed in concerns of performance:<br> <strong><em>WTP 3.2.3 seems to be much slower than 3.0.4.</em></strong><br> In fact I am really wondering why WTP gets slower with each release.</p> <p>One of our applications (dynamic web project) contain about <strong>4000 java classes and 700 jsps/jsp fragments</strong>. We only need basic WTP functionality for developing jsps, xmls and xsd. We don't need high sophistic features like <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/dali/">Dali</a> (should JPA tools really covered by a <em>webtools project</em>?), <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/libra/">Libra</a> or a <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/incubator/">visual xml editor</a> in the first place.<br></p> <p>Another interesting point is that WTP seems to <strong>slow down the whole IDE</strong>. SWT is non-reponsive for some fraction of seconds, cpu usage is very high (especially after a built took place - if you look at the system jobs, several jsp/javascript indexers are doing work for some minutes, even if all WTP build validators have been disabled), opening new files are slower, navigating through the project etc.</p> <p>This can be especially seen on older machines which do contains only a single core cpu.</p> <p><strong>The worst thing is that I've got the feeling that the WTP dev team does not care much about performance</strong> (e.g. have a look at the <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Performance_Tests">http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Performance_Tests</a> page - last update took place in 2008).</p> <p>Bug reports and Newsgroup posts regarding to performance of basic features (e.g. jsp editing/validating) are often ignored or closed after some time, some examples: <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=170640">here</a>, <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=170646">here</a>, <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=136935">and here</a>.</p> <p><a href="http://www.google.de/trends?q=eclipse%20WTP&amp;ctab=0&amp;geo=all&amp;date=all&amp;sort=1">Quo vadis, WTP?</a></p> <hr> <p><strong>Please don't get me wrong:</strong></p> <p>I don't want to blame WTP.<br> In fact I believe that WTP is a good open-source project developed by a talented team.<br> But obviously the <strong>project has a problem with its quality assurance</strong>, especially in terms of performance which affects usability and user acceptance.</p> <p>I just want to point out that the team should focus on the things which are <strong>essential to most of the users</strong> in the first place and afterwards work on implementing super-duper-features.</p> <p><strong>My Questions</strong></p> <ul> <li>What are your experiences with WTP, especially the most recent releases?</li> <li>Can you confirm or disprove my observations?</li> <li>Are there better alternatives?</li> <li>Did you switch from or to WTP and why?</li> <li>Do you have some best practices to speed it up, especially for upper-mid-sized like ours?</li> </ul> <hr> <p><strong>UPDATE</strong></p> <p>I'd like to make an update on this question to reflect the current answers and to sum up the current results:</p> <ul> <li><p>Many users complain about more or less on the same issues so I see those issues as confirmed.<br> BTW, this question is also mentioned on <strong>a news post on <a href="http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=62120">theserverside.com</a></strong> with additional comments.</p></li> <li><p>The responsible WTP project lead, nitind, made a notable post on the current situation of WTP, which I like to cite:<br> <strong><em>"The simple fact is that we don't spend much time on performance tests because we lack resources for doing that."</em></strong><br> <strong><em>"Of course we'd like to be proactive about it rather than reactive, but we tend to allocate our time to functional problems first."</em></strong><br></p></li> </ul> <p>So this question turns a little bit into some kind of an open letter from the community to the WTP team:</p> <pre><code>Dear WTP team, it's obvious that WTP is suffering from major quality/performance issues which you try to play down or to ignore. Please invest some time to improve the current situation at the cost of new features and do everything what's required to solve the current problems. E.g. revive the performance team, do some regression tests between previous releases or ask the community for (precise defined) help. I am sure that they are enough people willing and able to help here. If you like, do some kind of poll to get a feeling what should be the most important scopes of future's WTP releases. Please, please, listen to your community. </code></pre>
    singulars
    1. PO
      singulars
      1. PTAnswer
    1. This table or related slice is empty.
    1. PTQuestion
    1. USMRalwasser
    1. USMRalwasser
    plurals
    1. PL
      singulars
      1. LTLinked
    1. PL
      singulars
      1. LTLinked
    1. This table or related slice is empty.
    1. PO
      singulars
      1. PTAnswer
    2. PO
      singulars
      1. PTAnswer
    3. PO
      singulars
      1. PTAnswer
    1. VO
      singulars
      1. POEclipse webtools project (WTP) and its performance / quality
      1. USTahir Akhtar
      1. VTFavorite
    2. VO
      singulars
      1. POEclipse webtools project (WTP) and its performance / quality
      1. This table or related slice is empty.
      1. VTUpMod
    3. VO
      singulars
      1. POEclipse webtools project (WTP) and its performance / quality
      1. This table or related slice is empty.
      1. VTUpMod
    1. COI have the same problem with WTP performance but have found no solution/fix/hack to speed things up. I hope something turns up here.
      singulars
      1. POEclipse webtools project (WTP) and its performance / quality
      1. USBernardMarx
    2. COHave you tried posting your concerns to the Eclipse forums/newsgroups? Also, check Bugzilla and see if anyone has raised any performance bugs?
      singulars
      1. POEclipse webtools project (WTP) and its performance / quality
      1. USkatsharp
    3. CO@kett_chup Yes, i created some performance related bugs and I expressed my concerns to the mailing list some time ago. But the WTP developers seem to ignore the situation more or less. I got answers like "parsing jsp files is a complex thing" than "ok, we'll do some profiling work to see if there's a problem". I created this stackoverflow question to get a feeling if I am the only person who experience these kind of problems with WTP. I think that the WTP team should concentrate on performance for the next release than adding new features.
      singulars
      1. POEclipse webtools project (WTP) and its performance / quality
      1. USMRalwasser
 

Querying!

 
Guidance
A row detail

Detail views are divided into sections. All the information in the data section comes from columns in the selected row. The other sections display data from other, related rows.

Related data can be related in a to-one or a to-many fashion. Captions of data related in a to-many fashion link to a list view showing a filtered view of the table.

Try moving around until you find a non-empty to-many entry and click on the label to get to one. You can move back to the root by clicking on the database name in the header.

SQuiL has stopped working due to an internal error.

If you are curious you may find further information in the browser console, which is accessible through the devtools (F12).

Reload