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    <p>We had a team of 12 people all seasoned senior Java devs who learnt Grails from 0.6B and we are all still working on projects based on Grails. I wouldn't go back to Java willingly, and we are all relieved to have broken the back of how to get somewhere quick with a Grails app. </p> <p>It was a struggle, it was not easy and there was/is frustration.</p> <p>Nevertheless we delivered something very quickly given our ongoing efforts.. There are bugs, many which have workarounds. </p> <p>I have heard of several instances of developers who are good at Java trying to dive into deep, complex incantations of Grails projects. We eschewed all Java and went pure-Grails and Groovy. We made sure we started simple, built up the complexity as manageably and as practically as possible.. We dared not dive in the deepest end and hope that our Java knowledge was enough to carry us. </p> <p>We had eventually created something huge and complex that worked fabulously and did so far faster than writing pure Java/Spring/Hibernate version; and thats without decent IDE support and a far worse situation in terms of bugs than today.</p> <p>As regards Eclipse support, the only real IDE to use for Grails/Groovy is Intellij - the Eclipse support is way behind, sadly: I was an Eclipse lover and am far from being an Intellij convert - the Grails/Groovy support blow everything else away though. </p> <p>Yes, Grails is immature compared to Spring perhaps. Or Hibernate. And I would wager that in the first 1.5 years of their existence they were equally as fraught with issue. </p> <p>That being as it is, places the onus on you, to take care that you keep complexity to the absolute minimum, to carefully test-first (in our opinion) and build up to complexity gradually and with care. </p> <p>There is no fast code solution with Java once you involve Spring/Hibernate in the stack. The complexity Grails embodies is a reflection of Spring's / Hibernate's own complexity. If you feel that you time is better spent doing it with pure Java, I wouldn't argue otherwise.. I still have my WTFs but now that the steep learning curve is behind me I think I will stick w Grails some more.</p>
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    1. COCool. I think you decision to go with groovy only was a wise one.
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    2. CO+1 I'm an Intellij user too, but I have coworkers using netbeans 6.5 happily and I've heard that eclipse support is getting much better too. We've been using grails since .5 and have been very happy with grails. There have been bumps but also rapid improvement and a great community.
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    3. COMy thoughts exactly and I can feel the pain as I spent ages trying to figure out the many-to-many relationships and mapping domain classes to a legacy database but with grails testing plugin and grails 1.1 it is happy days
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