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    <p>I'm familiar with the LAMP stack and over the years have successfully deployed a handful of web sties based on it. I've used everything from Apache + modPerl, to PHP, to Ruby and Rails. With good use of caching my Rails site can sustain a pretty good load, but I'm not talking massive.</p> <p>I never really liked Java as a language, or XML for that matter, and have very much been ignoring the whole Java EE side of things. For those who have had real and direct experience in both worlds: is there something super cool about Java EE that I'm missing, or is just a bunch of hot air? What justifies the high price of the proprietary app servers?</p> <p>I'm not trolling here: I'm looking for concrete examples of things that Java EE really nails that are missing from <em>modern</em> LAMP frameworks, if such differences exist. (Modern = Rails, Django, etc). Alternatively pipe in with those things that LAMP really does better (fewer XML sit ups for one).</p> <p>+++++ Update October 16, 2008</p> <p>I'm sad to report that most of the replies here are not helpful, and simply fall into one of two categories: "It scales because here are three examples of large web sites" and "It scales because it is really actually much better than the LAMP stack".</p> <p>I've done quite a bit of reading, and have concluded that Java EE only has one really good trick: transactions (thanks Will) and as for the rest you can succeed or fail on your own merit, there is nothing intrinsically in the environment to cause you to create a scalable and reliable web site, indeed Java EE has quite a few traps that make it easy to fail (for instance it is easy to start using session beans without realizing that you are paying now for quite a bit of JMS traffic that perhaps could have been avoided with a different design.)</p> <p>Useful discussion</p> <ul> <li><a href="http://www.subbu.org/blog/2007/10/large-scale-web-site-development" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http://www.subbu.org/blog/2007/10/large-scale-web-site-development</a></li> <li><a href="http://highscalability.com/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http://highscalability.com/</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2004/07/php_scales.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2004/07/php_scales.html</a></li> <li><a href="http://www.schlossnagle.org/~george/blog/index.php?/archives/29-Why-PHP-Scales-A-Cranky,-Snarky-Answer.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http://www.schlossnagle.org/~george/blog/index.php?/archives/29-Why-PHP-Scales-A-Cranky,-Snarky-Answer.html</a> </li> <li><a href="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2003/09/20/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2003/09/20/</a></li> </ul>
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