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    <p>If you choose using a framework, Not depending on which one you'll chose, the first thing you have to know is that : </p> <ul> <li>it'll take some time for you to know it</li> <li>you'll do crapping things, during that time ^^</li> <li>so, take into account the fact it'll take some time before you are fully operational <strong>:-)</strong></li> </ul> <p>I think those points are the most under-estimated points : using a framework takes not much time... Using it well and to the full extend of its abilities takes... Well, a couple of months, maybe... Which means, when you are at the end of your project you'll say "I should rewrite that with all the stuff I learned while re-writing it the first time" :-D</p> <p>What it means is : <strong>learn what the framework can do, learn how to use it, and use it for a while on small applications, before starting rewriting your big one !</strong></p> <p><em>(Disclaimer : this previous paragraph was a re-post of a part of an answer I did to <a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1234858/rewriting-a-php-app-in-cakephp">this question</a>)</em></p> <p><br> On the other side, if you don't use a framework :</p> <ul> <li>it will still take time to know PHP well enough to develop your application</li> <li>you will still do crapy things during that time ^^</li> <li>and you should still spend some time on "little projects/applications" before starting programming the big one, to get familiar with the language.</li> </ul> <p>So, actually, using a framework or not, the same stuff is still true : using a framework only gets you some boundaries, help, and pointers -- and a lot of already existing great code !</p> <p><br> Finally, about the question of "<em>using a framework</em>" vs "<em>not using a framework</em>"... Well, it's 2009, and considering the amount of things/code/best-practices/guides/whatever a framework brings, I'd definitly go with a framework : I work in a company that develops websites, and we don't ever ask ourselves the question "<em>should we go with a framework</em>" -- we still go with the question "<em>which framework is the best for this project</em>", though.</p> <p>Plus, if you are willing to work <em>(ie, professionnally speaking)</em> in PHP development, having used a "big" framework would be a plus on your resume <em>(well, I don't know about the country where you're from, but, in France, it is definitly a plus)</em></p> <p><em>(Added as an edit, to be more clear about what I meant)</em> <br>Still, while I'd say "<em>use a framework</em>" for your application, that definitly doesn't prevent you from first spending/investing some time learning at least the basics of PHP, it's syntax, and some of it's gotchas -- but that could be on smaller "example applications", I believe.</p> <p><br> And, if you are curious about "<em>which framework should I choose</em>"... Well, that's quite a debate ^^ <br>About that, instead of debating all over again, here are a few pointers to other questions/answers :</p> <ul> <li><a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/817096/to-use-a-php-framework-or-not">To use a PHP framework or not?</a></li> <li><a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1046091/which-php-framework-is-right-for-this-project">Which PHP Framework is right for this project?</a></li> <li><a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/279003/why-do-i-need-to-use-a-popular-framework">Why do I need to use a popular framework?</a></li> <li><a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2648/what-php-framework-would-you-choose-for-a-new-application-and-why">What PHP framework would you choose for a new application and why?</a></li> </ul> <p><em>(Well, how strange is that : some of those might also help you answer your own question ;-) )</em></p>
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    1. COAs you say I will need to start with an "example application". I will rewrite an existing Frontpage "mess" in PHP. After this point I will use a framework with my major project. Thx
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    2. COThat's probably a good way to start :-) Have fun!
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